I feel the same way when I get an email with a Teams link, but I think we're all just going to have to live with the idea that everyone is on different platforms.

This just goes to show how badly Microsoft (or other owners before) messed up with skype. They had an opportunity to own the entire thing.

Screw teams. I had a meeting on teams for the first time ever so I decided to use safari, my designated un touched browser on my mac, to use teams in order to maximize compatibility. The thing kept shutting off my webcam every two seconds. I’d turn it on then it would shut off two seconds later. We switched to zoom for the remainder of the meeting.

Google’s offering isn’t much better either. I tried the same thing, going with safari, tested my connection, all was well. Then came time to share screen. No go! Kept complaining I need to enable permissions in safari for hangout that were already enabled.

Zoom just works on the other hand.

If you had just downloaded Teams it would have worked fine.

It isn’t Microsoft’s fault that Safari is a shit browser and the macOS people who keep it as their default won’t switch to something better.

Can I download Teams without it also requiring Microsoft updaters and other stuff that insists on lurking in the background? Having a standalone MS app is fine, but I will never allow their updaters and background processes.

The Microsoft AutoUpdate tool is fully configurable so long as your organization doesn’t have any specific forced configurations.

You can uncheck automatically update and install.

You can decide whether or not to run the background service at all at the OS level.

This is a really strange hill to die on because your OS and other programs already have similar functionality, you are just saying no to Microsoft specifically. Chrome runs a background process to stay up to date, for example.

Yeah, so i'm not running Chrome either. I do not (from experience) trust Microsoft or Google to have software constantly running on my computer.

I realize that i can disable the service of course, but then i end up with outdated software.

You either update the software in the background, you update it manually, or you leave the software out of date.

Microsoft offers you all three options and you don’t like any of them.

I don’t quite understand what mystery fourth option you prefer Microsoft provides for you.

Going back to my original comment, you could have tried Teams in a real web browser before deciding it sucks. Safari is trash.

Why can’t they make a working webapp for one of the largest browsers in the world? It isn’t like I tried to use Opera…

Because nobody can. Safari breaks on all kinds of popular websites while Firefox’s bucket of nickels development budget does a better job.

Apple can’t even make the back button behave smoothly.

Popular doesn’t mean good. Safari sucks.

From the perspective of someone who solely owns an iPhone they’d probably see a chromium monopoly as an upgrade.

... and that's how browser monopolies are formed.

Your "something better" is certainly Chrome.

But that's irellevant because the likes of teams and google chat are made for management and at best sales, while slack is made for engineers.

All I know is the other two browser major engines work a lot better in practice than WebKit.

I don’t really know or care as an end user if WebKit represents browser choice. The fact is they Apple isn’t putting enough effort in to making their browser engine “just work” with popular websites.

If it was a requirement in iOS and a default in macOS nobody would choose it by choice. It would be dead as a doornail if it competed in a free market.

In my experience a comparatively broke Mozilla Foundation makes a better browser experience than the most profitable consumer electronics company in the world. Apple needs to do better.

Why is it on apple to make teams work for their web browser and not the other way around?

Because it’s not just Teams that’s broken, it’s a solid percentage of the websites I visit.

Apple can’t blame developers for their browser’s inconsistency.

Firefox has 1/10th of Apple’s market share and that browser is clearly more compatible with websites in my experience.

Whenever I have some kind of rendering issue or functionality glitch in Safari I switch to Firefox and it works fine.

Like, dear lord safari can’t even implement the back button normally. The behavior is terrible. It’s like you see a static screenshot of the precious page and everything is frozen for a second, and then if you’re lucky it unfreezes and at worst your scroll position gets messed up, or you’re unlucky and the entire page reloads.

I ran Teams calls in Firefox on Linux for years, it worked as well as Zoom, I'd say. Other integrations, like the online office files had some issues. Didn't do chats there, though, only the meetings.

Weird, there are an awful lot of engineers (last 3 SaaS companies I worked for) that are all Teams.

Do you think anyone asked them what they prefer? :)

I bet a lot of them don’t really care. At some point chat is chat.

All the cross tenant inconsistency really needs to be ironed out, I'm not sure if it's just my org but half the features of calls are randomly disabled or enabled based on who originated it.

My favorite was when I entered VR during our standup on our otherwise quite locked down and very corporate environment.